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Are they considered equal in intelligence, obedience, and behavior. Why are they white? Is it because of cross breeding or genetic mutation? Do they cost more?
P.S. Is it basically the same dog except for the color?
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â¢â¢ Despite the beliefs of a very vociferous segment in the USofA (about 5% of all Yank GSD breeders), there is no White German Shepherd Dog. And AKC rules prevent recognition of any breed or variety whose distinguishing feature is a fault in the parent breed's Standard.
At about the turn of the millennium a group of Swiss fanciers of white GSDs (note the difference between a capital W for part of a breed name, and an ordinary w for an adjective) persuaded the Kennel Club in Switzerland to open a separate Breed Register for those of their pooches that had pedigrees where, for at least 6 generations, every ancestor was a GSD registered as being white. Those are now the BBS = Berger Blanc Suisse.
Although fanciers of self-whites consider the banning from shows (although the UKC accepts white GSDs, the UKC is an outcast internationally; its registrations & titles are unacceptable to any official Kennel Club) as mere racial prejudice, the fact is that ALL sheep herding dogs - Shelties, the various Collies, the Belgian & German Shepherd Dog breeds - are required to be DARK on top. There are at least 2 valid reasons: (1) So the shepherd working far away can see what the dog is up to. (2) Colourless dogs get little respect from sheep so have to work MUCH harder, which burns up energy (that must be replaced by food) and time (which cannot be replaced).
A white coat is also totally unsuitable for almost all a GSD's other tasks, such as a dog used to alert a military patrol that they are near the enemy, an avalanche rescue dog, and so on.
That said, the better-bred white GSDs can do fine in KC obedience. But they are untypical as GSDs. And because their breeders focus on producing whites, many of the ancestors have been used for their coat despite being poor in health or behaviour, whatever. Some years ago a brave set of Yank breeders for white set up an on-line data-base - I'm told that it shows that 1 in 4 of their pooches has at least one fault (other than being white), a percentage I consider unacceptable.
â¢â¢ Genuinely white dogs are white because they have 2 pairs of recessive alleles - one pair blocks the production of eumelanin (dark pigment), the other blocks the production of phaeomelanin (tan pigments). So a white GSD actually has colourless hairs. But, unlike an albino, it does have pigment in its "leathers" (eye rims, nose, lips, pads) and eyes. And the mutations that created those alleles happened LONG before there were actual registered breeds of dogs, so are now merely alleles, no longer mutations. A note: The alleles that block tans are not 100% effective, and so many self-whites have "badger patches" in their coat.
â¢â¢ Because it has a much more limited scope of use than does a typical GSD, a self-white should cost less than a genuine GSD. There is not room here to go into how to tell a greedy, ignorant BYB gouger from a dedicated, knowledgeable breeder.
â¢â¢ Structurally, most white GSDs are not only white but also too damned big. In addition, because they have been bred by so many pet-is-all people, the odds of finding one that is mentally strong enough for protection work are slim - not that civilians should NEED a dog for protection. Although rarely as exaggerated as the dreadful NAmerican Ski-Slope Dogs that masquerade as GSDs in AKC & CKC rings, they do not meet the requirements of the International Standard of the GSD: http://www.fci.be/uploaded_files/166A1991_en.doc
But a pet doesn't need to be typical of any particular breed.
To ask further questions about GSDs, join some of the 400+ YahooGroups dedicated to various aspects of living with GSDs; most also let you post pics of your pet as it grows up. Each group's Home page tells you what they like to talk about, and how active they are.
Les P, owner of GSD_Friendly: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/GSD_Friendly
"In GSDs" as of 1967
â¢â¢ Despite the beliefs of a very vociferous segment in the USofA (about 5% of all Yank GSD breeders), there is no White German Shepherd Dog. And AKC rules prevent recognition of any breed or variety whose distinguishing feature is a fault in the parent breed's Standard.
At about the turn of the millennium a group of Swiss fanciers of white GSDs (note the difference between a capital W for part of a breed name, and an ordinary w for an adjective) persuaded the Kennel Club in Switzerland to open a separate Breed Register for those of their pooches that had pedigrees where, for at least 6 generations, every ancestor was a GSD registered as being white. Those are now the BBS = Berger Blanc Suisse.
Although fanciers of self-whites consider the banning from shows (although the UKC accepts white GSDs, the UKC is an outcast internationally; its registrations & titles are unacceptable to any official Kennel Club) as mere racial prejudice, the fact is that ALL sheep herding dogs - Shelties, the various Collies, the Belgian & German Shepherd Dog breeds - are required to be DARK on top. There are at least 2 valid reasons: (1) So the shepherd working far away can see what the dog is up to. (2) Colourless dogs get little respect from sheep so have to work MUCH harder, which burns up energy (that must be replaced by food) and time (which cannot be replaced).
A white coat is also totally unsuitable for almost all a GSD's other tasks, such as a dog used to alert a military patrol that they are near the enemy, an avalanche rescue dog, and so on.
That said, the better-bred white GSDs can do fine in KC obedience. But they are untypical as GSDs. And because their breeders focus on producing whites, many of the ancestors have been used for their coat despite being poor in health or behaviour, whatever. Some years ago a brave set of Yank breeders for white set up an on-line data-base - I'm told that it shows that 1 in 4 of their pooches has at least one fault (other than being white), a percentage I consider unacceptable.
â¢â¢ Genuinely white dogs are white because they have 2 pairs of recessive alleles - one pair blocks the production of eumelanin (dark pigment), the other blocks the production of phaeomelanin (tan pigments). So a white GSD actually has colourless hairs. But, unlike an albino, it does have pigment in its "leathers" (eye rims, nose, lips, pads) and eyes. And the mutations that created those alleles happened LONG before there were actual registered breeds of dogs, so are now merely alleles, no longer mutations. A note: The alleles that block tans are not 100% effective, and so many self-whites have "badger patches" in their coat.
â¢â¢ Because it has a much more limited scope of use than does a typical GSD, a self-white should cost less than a genuine GSD. There is not room here to go into how to tell a greedy, ignorant BYB gouger from a dedicated, knowledgeable breeder.
â¢â¢ Structurally, most white GSDs are not only white but also too damned big. In addition, because they have been bred by so many pet-is-all people, the odds of finding one that is mentally strong enough for protection work are slim - not that civilians should NEED a dog for protection. Although rarely as exaggerated as the dreadful NAmerican Ski-Slope Dogs that masquerade as GSDs in AKC & CKC rings, they do not meet the requirements of the International Standard of the GSD: http://www.fci.be/uploaded_files/166A1991_en.doc
But a pet doesn't need to be typical of any particular breed.
To ask further questions about GSDs, join some of the 400+ YahooGroups dedicated to various aspects of living with GSDs; most also let you post pics of your pet as it grows up. Each group's Home page tells you what they like to talk about, and how active they are.
Les P, owner of GSD_Friendly: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/GSD_Friendly
"In GSDs" as of 1967
What is the difference between a Welch Terrier and an Airedale Terrier?
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Can anyone tell me the difference between these 2 dogs? They look exactly alike to me?
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WELSH TERRIER:
Bold and spirited, the Welsh Terrier is similar to the Airedale Terrier and Lakeland Terrier in appearance. A true terrier at heart, they are not as hot-headed as some of the other terriers. They are affectionate dogs who have outgoing natures making them ideal family pets. Welsh Terriers are reserved around strangers, and make brave watchdogs. Welsh Terriers are a game dog-alert, aware, spirited-but at the same time, is friendly and shows self control. Welsh Terriers are intelligence and have a desire to please which is evident in their attitude.
Height: 14 - 15.5 inches
Weight: 20 - 21 lbs
Colors: Black and tan; also black, grizzle and tan.
Coat: Abundant, wiry, hard and close.
Temperament: Welsh Terriers are active, playful
With Children: Yes, usually patient with children.
With Pets: Yes, if socialized from a young age not to chase.
Special Skills: Hunting dog and family pet
Watch-dog: Very High
Guard-dog: Low
Care and Exercise: Brush the Welsh Terrier three times per week, bathe when necessary. Regularly trimming of their coat is needed if showing, preferably by hand-stripping. Regular daily exercise, on or off the leash. Welsh Terriers enjoy a game of ball or a run in the countryside.
Training: Welsh Terriers needs basic obedience training to make them an enjoyable companion. Give them a constant variety and remain consistent as they will try to divert you from your intentions.
Learning Rate: High, Obedience - Low, Problem Solving - Medium
Activity: Very High
Living Environment: An apartment is adequate if daily exercise is provided.
Health Issues: Free of major hereditary health problems.
Life Span: 10 - 12 years
Litter Size: 3 - 6
Country of Origin: Celtic
History: Developed in North Wales and the north of England they were used to hunt otter, fox and badgers. Their direct ancestors are two strains. The Celtic strain using the coarse-haired Black and Tan Terrier and the English strain using the Airedale and Fox Terrier.
First Registered by the AKC: 1888
AKC Group: Terrier
Class: Terrier
Registries: AKC, ANKC, CKC, FCI (Group 3), KC (GB), UKC
AIREDALE TERRIER:
The Airedale Terrier is known as the "king of terriers." They excels in agility, eyesight, hearing and has untiring courage. They have a sweet disposition, but may be aloof with strangers. Airedale Terriers have excelled in being a hunter for foxes, badgers, weasels, otters, water rats and ducks. The Airedale Terrier makes a good jogging partner because of their athletic physique. Owners should be strong and confident who can combines firm discipline with patience and precision. Good with older children they makes a loyal family pet. Not an ideal apartment dogs, they should have a fenced yard.
Other Names: Waterside Terrier, Bingley Terrier
Height: 23 inches
Weight: 44 - 50 lbs.
Colors: Body-saddle, top of neck and top surface of tail, black or grizzle, all other parts tan.
Coat: Hard, dense and wiry with a soft undercoat.
Temperament: Airedale Terriers are intelligent, responsive, loyal.
With Children: Yes, the Airedale Terrier will if the children are mature enough
With Pets: Yes
Watch-dog: High
Guard-dog: High
Care and Training: Brush with a stiff bristle brush to remove dead hair three times a week. Minimal trimming. Bathe only when necessary. Should be hand-stripped twice a year. Airedale Terriers need daily exercise. Responsive to training and the easiest to train of all terriers.
Learning Rate: High intelligence.
Activity: High
Living Environment: House with a fenced yard; daily exercise and attention.
Health Issues: May suffer from eye problems, hip dysplasia and skin infections
Life Span: 12 -14 years
Litter Size: 5 - 12
Country of Origin: Great Britain
History: The Airedale Terrier was originally known as the Waterside Terrier and sometimes the Bingley Terrier. Named after the Valley of Aire in Yorkshire, England they were derived from crossing the old English black and tan terrier with the Otterhound. Used in the 19th century for big game hunting, vermin killing and police and military work.
First Registered by the AKC: 1888
AKC Group: Terrier
Class: Terrier
Registries: AKC, ANKC, CKC, FCI (Group 3), KC,(GB), UKC
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WELSH TERRIER:
Bold and spirited, the Welsh Terrier is similar to the Airedale Terrier and Lakeland Terrier in appearance. A true terrier at heart, they are not as hot-headed as some of the other terriers. They are affectionate dogs who have outgoing natures making them ideal family pets. Welsh Terriers are reserved around strangers, and make brave watchdogs. Welsh Terriers are a game dog-alert, aware, spirited-but at the same time, is friendly and shows self control. Welsh Terriers are intelligence and have a desire to please which is evident in their attitude.
Height: 14 - 15.5 inches
Weight: 20 - 21 lbs
Colors: Black and tan; also black, grizzle and tan.
Coat: Abundant, wiry, hard and close.
Temperament: Welsh Terriers are active, playful
With Children: Yes, usually patient with children.
With Pets: Yes, if socialized from a young age not to chase.
Special Skills: Hunting dog and family pet
Watch-dog: Very High
Guard-dog: Low
Care and Exercise: Brush the Welsh Terrier three times per week, bathe when necessary. Regularly trimming of their coat is needed if showing, preferably by hand-stripping. Regular daily exercise, on or off the leash. Welsh Terriers enjoy a game of ball or a run in the countryside.
Training: Welsh Terriers needs basic obedience training to make them an enjoyable companion. Give them a constant variety and remain consistent as they will try to divert you from your intentions.
Learning Rate: High, Obedience - Low, Problem Solving - Medium
Activity: Very High
Living Environment: An apartment is adequate if daily exercise is provided.
Health Issues: Free of major hereditary health problems.
Life Span: 10 - 12 years
Litter Size: 3 - 6
Country of Origin: Celtic
History: Developed in North Wales and the north of England they were used to hunt otter, fox and badgers. Their direct ancestors are two strains. The Celtic strain using the coarse-haired Black and Tan Terrier and the English strain using the Airedale and Fox Terrier.
First Registered by the AKC: 1888
AKC Group: Terrier
Class: Terrier
Registries: AKC, ANKC, CKC, FCI (Group 3), KC (GB), UKC
AIREDALE TERRIER:
The Airedale Terrier is known as the "king of terriers." They excels in agility, eyesight, hearing and has untiring courage. They have a sweet disposition, but may be aloof with strangers. Airedale Terriers have excelled in being a hunter for foxes, badgers, weasels, otters, water rats and ducks. The Airedale Terrier makes a good jogging partner because of their athletic physique. Owners should be strong and confident who can combines firm discipline with patience and precision. Good with older children they makes a loyal family pet. Not an ideal apartment dogs, they should have a fenced yard.
Other Names: Waterside Terrier, Bingley Terrier
Height: 23 inches
Weight: 44 - 50 lbs.
Colors: Body-saddle, top of neck and top surface of tail, black or grizzle, all other parts tan.
Coat: Hard, dense and wiry with a soft undercoat.
Temperament: Airedale Terriers are intelligent, responsive, loyal.
With Children: Yes, the Airedale Terrier will if the children are mature enough
With Pets: Yes
Watch-dog: High
Guard-dog: High
Care and Training: Brush with a stiff bristle brush to remove dead hair three times a week. Minimal trimming. Bathe only when necessary. Should be hand-stripped twice a year. Airedale Terriers need daily exercise. Responsive to training and the easiest to train of all terriers.
Learning Rate: High intelligence.
Activity: High
Living Environment: House with a fenced yard; daily exercise and attention.
Health Issues: May suffer from eye problems, hip dysplasia and skin infections
Life Span: 12 -14 years
Litter Size: 5 - 12
Country of Origin: Great Britain
History: The Airedale Terrier was originally known as the Waterside Terrier and sometimes the Bingley Terrier. Named after the Valley of Aire in Yorkshire, England they were derived from crossing the old English black and tan terrier with the Otterhound. Used in the 19th century for big game hunting, vermin killing and police and military work.
First Registered by the AKC: 1888
AKC Group: Terrier
Class: Terrier
Registries: AKC, ANKC, CKC, FCI (Group 3), KC,(GB), UKC
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